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Study reports 'hidden costs' in gas drilling

post-gazette.com -- A PennEnvironment Re-search & Policy Center report has identified more than a dozen categories of hidden costs -- including aquifer contamination, human health problems and damage to roadways, home values and natural resources -- linked to Marcellus Shale gas development in Pennsylvania.

The report, released Thursday in Pittsburgh as Gov. Tom Corbett was welcoming the industry at the Marcellus Shale Coalition's second annual conference in Philadelphia, also stated that bonding amounts required by the state will be inadequate to cover long-term future costs of plugging abandoned wells.

"There are a staggering array of threats to the environment posed by Marcellus Shale gas development and myriad costs," said Erika Staaf of PennEnvironment, a statewide advocacy organization. "We're a

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Submitted Sep 24, 2012 By: teafortwo

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jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,763 Points:592,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 7:22:33 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Costs are not hidden. The consumer gets it at the pump everyday.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,596 Points:1,206,355 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:54:57 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Good article Teafortwo...thanks for posting!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,079 Points:1,449,300 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 7:11:28 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Ah, yes. Those darn hidden costs to human health and the environment. As long as someone else gets stuck with these costs, corporations are fine with that.
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,850 Points:641,980 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 3:15:42 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . Fracking is not new, it is over 60 years old. Three FULL EPA REPORTS have not found one single intense of water pollution. In fact, water and oil don't mix which is why they stay separated underground for THOUSANDS of years! In 60 years there has not been one a single aquifer contamination by Fracking! I know this from personal experience because my grandparents property in Western PA has both oil and gas wells on it and Fracking has been used and the well water (not city water) tastes as great as it always has!
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:15,735 Points:3,108,125 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:42:03 AM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse This is from an environmental groups findings/literature so the truth is likely somewhere in-between the views....though there are issues & any extra business on large scales taxes the infrastructure of an area. Thing with oil/gas they often pay for upgrades & area benefits both economically & from a infrastructure basis.
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,655 Points:250,910 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:23:52 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse PennEnvironment is a 501(c)(3) organization with an anti-fracking agenda. Teafortwo seems to gravitate towards the anti fracking agenda.
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,747 Points:1,246,200 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:54:16 AM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse And you dam sure won't hear about the costs of doing nothing from these Green fanatics.
jwalkerh Champion Author Louisiana Posts:6,135 Points:1,369,130 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:47:52 AM Ignore jwalkerh Report Abuse There are alwaays hidden cost in everything...
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Soglaos Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,771 Points:740,405 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:44:57 AM Ignore Soglaos Report Abuse hmmm Not solid research here
Chinto12 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,031 Points:409,860 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:39:15 AM Ignore Chinto12 Report Abuse Be careful of armchair science.
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:6,035 Points:1,562,765 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:29:56 AM Ignore slgas Report Abuse sailormon: amen
middlegrey Rookie Author Wisconsin Posts:99 Points:428,025 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:23:12 AM Ignore middlegrey Report Abuse interesting
BudsterMO Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,715 Points:704,155 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:22:41 AM Ignore BudsterMO Report Abuse It is a good thing that someone is watching the store, so to speak. Left to their own devices the oil and gas drillers would do nothing to protect the public or employees beyond what minimal requirements were in place before the boom.
sailormon Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,595 Points:809,210 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:22:20 AM Ignore sailormon Report Abuse Why do some of you have to bring in the political attacks?! Look, Fracking is not what it is being sold as! There are some serious issues and health concerns related to drinking water. It seems that some of you out in GB land would rather have gas for their car instead of clean water to drink!! Wake the F up people!! You only live THREE DAYS without water!!
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,331 Points:1,752,505 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:15:12 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Would'a, should'a, could's, all over again!
Cellsite Champion Author Appleton Posts:1,231 Points:287,585 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:15:09 AM Ignore Cellsite Report Abuse Everything has risks. Just being born is 100% fatal.
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:6,035 Points:1,562,765 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:14:20 AM Ignore slgas Report Abuse mberg: truer words have seldom been written
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,157 Points:1,633,310 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:13:26 AM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse Interesting to how similar hidden costs are ignored in ethanol production...
PathTrack Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,203 Points:134,685 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:10:10 AM Ignore PathTrack Report Abuse I hate being bamboozled.
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Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:7,046 Points:1,492,770 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:08:24 AM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse Obama must be smiling about this report.
maryph1958 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,420 Points:283,095 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:08:12 AM Ignore maryph1958 Report Abuse More hidden costs
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Black Wagon Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,317 Points:1,802,995 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:06:32 AM Ignore Black Wagon Report Abuse Gee wiz.
mberg Champion Author Houston Posts:3,812 Points:960,605 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:05:39 AM Ignore mberg Report Abuse We're all hung up on the importance of energy, but for those of you who will be around in 50 years, the lack of clean water (maybe enough water of any sort) will dwarf the concerns we have today about energy.
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LuthierKS Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,752 Points:730,905 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:05:17 AM Ignore LuthierKS Report Abuse The anticapitalists are out in full force.
scrossi Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,889 Points:1,049,465 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:05:17 AM Ignore scrossi Report Abuse True mikerroy.
2gjh Champion Author North Dakota Posts:3,174 Points:2,447,600 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:02:57 AM Ignore 2gjh Report Abuse There are hidden costs in everything, especially government regulations.
JimVP All-Star Author Chicago Posts:632 Points:154,210 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:01:56 AM Ignore JimVP Report Abuse Environment must remain a concern but we need make sure of the quality of the research.
FBI2991 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,215 Points:1,140,840 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:01:48 AM Ignore FBI2991 Report Abuse All theoretical
mikerroy Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,571 Points:721,895 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:01:38 AM Ignore mikerroy Report Abuse "Garbage in Garbage out" We all know this statment, it applies to fracking also. If they put grabage into the ground, they will get oil, gas and grabage out.
snakebitef22 Veteran Author Corpus Christi Posts:447 Points:31,520 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:01:16 AM Ignore snakebitef22 Report Abuse And why are they wasting money on this report....oh I see the oil companies paid for the report hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm....we not so dumb after all
Ticobird Champion Author Huntsville Posts:3,234 Points:1,116,950 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:00:54 AM Ignore Ticobird Report Abuse As far as "hidden costs" are concerned all levels of regulatory control should be aware of them or else the people doing the regulating are doing a bad job. This applies to any regulated business concern.
hwmillerster Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,794 Points:1,465,570 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:00:54 AM Ignore hwmillerster Report Abuse This study shows how much to charge the industry to clean up. This cost will be passed on to the customer.
calripken_8 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,906 Points:660,165 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:00:42 AM Ignore calripken_8 Report Abuse There is risk and expense in everything
buzzieNY Champion Author Buffalo Posts:2,898 Points:636,530 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:59:37 AM Ignore buzzieNY Report Abuse more excuses to keep prices up
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rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,367 Points:1,221,660 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:59:05 AM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Imagine that... Hidden costs in day to day work!
FredericoAZ All-Star Author Phoenix Posts:938 Points:962,500 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:57:04 AM Ignore FredericoAZ Report Abuse that is just the 'profit' factor oil companies use.
itzagasgasgas1 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,979 Points:1,600,470 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:56:38 AM Ignore itzagasgasgas1 Report Abuse Fracking is not a hearts and flowers industry.
jh1552 Sophomore Author Cincinnati Posts:218 Points:42,125 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:55:51 AM Ignore jh1552 Report Abuse not again another way to screw us
seahawks Champion Author Washington Posts:3,232 Points:1,964,720 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:54:44 AM Ignore seahawks Report Abuse interesting!!!
GrumpyCat Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,612 Points:790,680 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:54:42 AM Ignore GrumpyCat Report Abuse Read the article, its all theoretical. All "threat" and no actual damage.
MrLuigi Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,778 Points:967,660 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:54:21 AM Ignore MrLuigi Report Abuse hidden costs are in everything, that's how they mask their greed
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:6,035 Points:1,562,765 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:53:44 AM Ignore slgas Report Abuse Who needs all that clean drinking water anyway?
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,677 Points:2,620,605 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:53:43 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse The report, released Thursday in Pittsburgh as Gov. Tom Corbett was welcoming the industry at the Marcellus Shale Coalition's second annual conference in Philadelphia, also stated that bonding amounts required by the state will be inadequate to cover long-term future costs of plugging abandoned wells. Solve the problem if you want the oil.