honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 5:00:44 AM
VH: the mandate to change the diesel to ULSD came from the Bush administration. That's when diesel started to hike up.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 5:00:01 AM
we all pay for high diesel.
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alterman156

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 6:43:58 PM
Bad for truckers.
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Van_Halen

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 6:14:43 PM
. Thanks to Obama and the Dumbocrats!
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doctorindyj

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Santa Fe
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 9:15:54 AM
The EIA is a useless bureaucracy trying to justify its continued existence. I could get the same information driving past a gas station.
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52MPG

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 3:53:22 AM
$4.15 in Dayton Ohio.
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:24:05 PM
“Diesel should be lower in cost than gasoline since it requiress [sic] less processing.”
Modern diesel fuel is not the same as your father’s fuel. Modern diesel is highly refined and has a very low sulfur content. Air pollution from diesel engines is much less than it was a generation ago. Progress has its price, in this case higher fuel cost.
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:07:34 PM
“. . . the firewood was not covered over before the wet Sept & Oct up here . . . .”
Off topic but what the heck. About 25 years ago we built a woodshed with two bays, 6 cords each. We use from the east bay one year and from the west bay the next year, then fill each again during the summer after it was used. Thus we always have wood that has been in the dry for over a year. It makes winter so much easier to deal with.
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1fulltank

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:07:08 PM
Since everything is delivered by (diesel) truck, watch for prices of things to follow suit.
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rahcat

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:06:54 PM
Glad I don't use diesel.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:01:27 PM
@TornadoRed explained the high cost of diesel perfectly.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:58:35 PM
Diesel may require less processing, @DEG, but there's a limited amount that can be refined from crude. If you want more diesel, you need to refine more barrels of crude and hence the higher cost.
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suicyco16

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:57:29 PM
Why so high?
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bginsj

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:56:17 PM
but its a by product of gasoline production
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TornadoRed

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:56:03 PM
BLWong: Geee I remember way back when diesel was cheaper than gas"
I remember that diesel was cheaper than gas just a few months ago, at many if not most stations in the Upper Midwest.
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EvPv

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Maine
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:56:01 PM
damn. Heating oil is up but the firewood was not covered over before the wet Sept & Oct up here in Maine. Going to be an expensive winter for the first time in years. Lesson learned to get next years wood cut and split over this winter. Hoping the snow does not get above 2 feet deep in the woods.
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:55:56 PM
Diesel should be lower in cost than gasoline since it requiress less processing.
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vibdata

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:53:42 PM
The price of diesel has been at insane levels for over 5 years. It was cheap, being a by-product. But...some cars went diesel and just to spite them, BIG OIL made the prices soar overnight. And then. They never went down.
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TopGunn

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Baltimore
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:53:14 PM
More rubbish from EIA. Check the street.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:50:19 PM
If you want to know why diesel is so expensive, understand that Big Oil exports diesel out of this country and over to Europe where it is used by the majority of cars on the road.
It's in high demand over there and commands a high price. However it's not taxed as heavily as gasoline so that just means bigger profits for Big Oil.
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69Bonne

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Gary
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:49:36 PM
That's not good. Another reason for trucking firms to raise prices and then our food prices go up even more.
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Vitobug

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:49:16 PM
ok
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:47:34 PM
High diesel prices give freight companies one more reason to switch their fleets to run on CNG.
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TJC47

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:47:22 PM
Demand is higher or have they switched to winter fuel early?
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Is246

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Albuquerque
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:44:36 PM
not good.
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THX138

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San Francisco
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:43:04 PM
K
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PizzaMon

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Philadelphia
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:38:53 PM
Never been a good economic indicator.
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farn1958

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:38:07 PM
no really?
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dulberg

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:36:38 PM
k
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CCLighthouse

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:35:44 PM
I remember when Diesel was cheaper also. You don't have to wonder why we are paying a lot more for groceries and other things that are transported by tractor trailers $$$$$$$$$$. : (
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Taurus1

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:35:39 PM
wouldn't want to be using diesel right now.
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Jeeputtputt

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:35:19 PM
NO reason for this!!!!!!!
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:35:04 PM
Locally diesel has spiked from 3.87 to 4.15. Lowest price is at 3.99.
No good reason for the spike.
That is not new. The casino (market) does what it wants without reason.
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:31:54 PM
energy dept is a joke
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easyfreeHDTV

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:31:13 PM
It's $4.39 in Southern CA, which is still cheaper than regular unleaded.
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:30:58 PM
Too much regulation and taxes.
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BLWong

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:29:32 PM
Geee I remember way back when diesel was cheaper than gas
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TornadoRed

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:27:42 PM
The seasonal pattern is in effect, though it may have started a few weeks later this year than the average.
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Nicoalbum

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:26:13 PM
There is no seasonal decline
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TornadoRed

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:25:11 PM
wayoung56 posted: "Makes no sense, diesel is easier to produce than gasoline on many levels..."
That is not true. It might have been, back when it was okay to sell diesel with 2000 parts per million of sulfur. But now the maximum limit is 15 ppm of sulfur, so the refining process is much more complicated (and expensive).
Besides, the price of something is not based on the cost of production, but on the point where supply and demand are in balance. At each refinery, the amount of gasoline and diesel produced from each barrel of crude is a fixed ratio, within a very narrow range. So, to get more gasoline, they have to produce more diesel and other distillates, and vice versa. At this time of year, when demand for gasoline is down, refiners do not like to produce surplus gasoline that they cannot sell and which it costs them to store. So the result may be a relative shortage of diesel, heating oil, jet fuel and other distillates.
Remember that gasoline and distillate prices tend to vary seasonally as well, with distillate prices going higher in the fall and early winter, and gasoline prices going higher in the spring and early summer.
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dcjauburn

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:23:58 PM
You will see increased prices for all goods due to the increase cost of moving the goods to market.
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CPGas1815

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:23:46 PM
Diesel prices have been outrageous for months on end.
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Bubba44612

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:18:03 PM
For no reason except for greed.
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southrob

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Tucson
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:16:39 PM
thanks pres
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jkpsr

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:14:13 PM
The supply had diminished just when the need for similar heating oil skyrockets.
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:10:41 PM
bad news
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:05:39 PM
and this will start hyperinflation
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MINIWINI598

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Washington
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:04:54 PM
Ouch!
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tutaw

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:02:56 PM
not good
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Barfood

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:02:32 PM
Europe uses a lot of diesel and sells off their excess gasoline...so their is more worldwide demand of diesel.
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