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scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2011 3:06:17 PM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse No imagination! Predictable offense! HE MUST GO!

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No imagination! Predictable offense!

HE MUST GO!

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coachjc Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,769 Points:1,875,860 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 6:58:20 AM Ignore coachjc Report Abuse The only problem is replacing him with a better OC!
TDice Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,797 Points:307,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 31, 2012 8:32:42 AM Ignore TDice Report Abuse Now a frontrunner for Arians replacement seems to be none other than Todd Haley. Not a good fit IMO. His father worked for the Steelers for years, so I am sure he is tight with the Rooney clan.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 31, 2012 8:17:59 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse Something I read today kinda reinforces what I've said here about BB. The great coaches have something others just don't. And they learn from every experience but it doesn't matter who they learned under. Al Groh who coached with Parcells, BB, and Coughlin said this in an article in a Boston paper today..."Now defensive coordinator at Georgia Tech, Groh is not surprised at the success of either as they square off for the second time in four years across the field in the Super Bowl. They are, he said, products of the Parcells Way, but also men who would have the same obsessive attention to detailed preparation even if they never met the man." They would be great whether they coached under Parcells or Mother Teresa. IMHO.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 2:24:01 PM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse If they can't make it they will be forced to leave. Then again lots of bad coaches get recycled. And I didn't say they were BAD coaches. Just BETTER when they worked for BB ;)
TDice Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,797 Points:307,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 12:38:39 PM Ignore TDice Report Abuse Well then all those NE assistants who left and flamed out on their own are just bad coaches and should just leave the profession.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 12:13:05 PM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse It's hard to argue BB is avg when he's been to 7 SB's and won 5. 2 as DC and 3 as HC. I just happen to believe when an assistant leaves to be HC and has success it's because he had greatness in him.(without discounting the influence of his mentors) If he had great success as an assistant prior but didn't do well on his own it's prolly an indication he assisted a great HC. IMHO.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 9:46:17 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse I, for one, would not have said that AF. If those coaches had gone on to be winners then I woulda credited BB. Actually BB is getting the credit, just not the positive type.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 8:21:47 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse You can have that opinion if you wish. If Romeo, Charlie, Mangini et al had all gone on to be great coaches you guys woulda said it was the coaches who made BB. There was already talk about that after they left and he hadn't been back to the big game. Well...he got there in 08 and he's there again. With all new coaches and all new players. If a guy has success with a group of coaches and when they leave he's not as good? Seems to me you'd hafta give the assistants more credit. What'd Parcells do after BB and Coughlin left? Don't get me wrong. They both felt they learned a lot from the tuna. But it was the tuna that never went back again. While BB and Coughlin are here again. BB just keeps on rolling. The Pats have been raided year after year
BuzzBomb Champion Author Honolulu Posts:24,467 Points:3,494,005 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2012 2:04:11 PM Ignore BuzzBomb Report Abuse airfresh, your logic is a bit flawed. I'd say assistants that go on to achieve success is better proof the coach is not only able to guide his players but pass on his skills to his assistants as well. Without Kraft money and a good front office Belicheat is only as good as...well I'd say that describes his situation in Cleveland. Again, your theories and analogies never cease to amaze me. I, for one have always thought Parcells was an overrated windbag just one step up from those of the Ryan clan.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2012 12:15:11 PM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Keep drinking the Kool-Aid AF. Let's not forget his less than stellar career as the Browns head coach.
dakine Champion Author Orange County Posts:19,588 Points:3,589,925 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2012 9:55:53 AM Ignore dakine Report Abuse Wow, Arians is now OC for the Colts. I thought he was retiring?
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2012 6:23:04 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse You won't wanna hug after this scout... The fact that the coaches who left BB haven't had success is because he made THEM better then they were. A coach who has assistants leave and have great success after they leave shows that they made HIM better then he really was. Proof BB is a great coach. Another fact... Parcells never went to another Super Bowl without BB. BB won 2 with Parcells, won 3 on his own and went to 5 so far on his own with 3 completely different sets of players(only 2 players have been around for all 5). It appears BB made Parcells look better then he really was. Still wanna hug? ;) [Edited by: airfresh at 1/29/2012 7:24:06 AM EST]
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2012 5:47:35 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Is it group hug time AF?
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2012 7:55:09 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse I love you too scout.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2012 7:45:23 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse So far, the Belicheat protege's have done squat away from Foxboro!
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 2:40:15 PM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse He lost his starting QB on a Rams team that imploded this year. His only year with the team. Not much of a chance. Put McDaniels on the Steelers and see how well he does. Won't get the chance but I'd bet he'd be good for Ben and that offense. Here's what Branden Lloyd has to say about Josh... "I can't even lie about that. I'm tied to McDaniels. He uses me differently than other offensive coordinators used me in my entire career. He uses me as an every-play receiver. The short game, mid-range game, gimmick passes, deep balls. I do everything in this offense as opposed to other coordinators who would just run me off as the deep guy; run me off into double coverage and then say I'm not open. So I really like how Josh uses me within the offense. I'm extremely comfortable in the offense." Lloyd then continued: "Probably No. 1 (as a factor), because I want to be successful, and I want to earn whatever money I'm making. I want to be used in ways where I feel comfortable and I can be successful. And Josh knows how to do that." I'm guessing Mike Wallace could use a guy like that running the offense. Maybe he wouldn't be wasted running screen passes or down the field into double coverage all day. Just sayin ;) [Edited by: airfresh at 1/27/2012 3:45:58 PM EST]
BuzzBomb Champion Author Honolulu Posts:24,467 Points:3,494,005 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 2:12:12 PM Ignore BuzzBomb Report Abuse ...and how did Josh do as OC with the Rams? I'd say his time coaching away from the Patriots points to the fact that he was not the reason for the Patriots success. The same could be said for Charlie Weiss.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 2:00:42 PM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse He's still young enough to get a 2nd chance Dice. In the meantime he's not being given the HC job but the OC job at which he excelled prior to leaving for Denver. Had he not been signed by NE he woulda done a great job with Ben at the controls. Let's not forget his QB in Denver was Kyle Orton. Can't make chicken salad outta chicken chit. Give him Big Ben and see how he would utilize his talents.
TDice Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,797 Points:307,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 1:40:39 PM Ignore TDice Report Abuse Oh, another retread fresh, I see.;) So he's just another broken HC branch from the BB coaching tree? Cameron, as Miami well knows, is a big reason too. Although he has been dealt bad QB's to work with too.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 1:15:01 PM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse The Ratbirds offense was putrid!
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 9:24:50 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse Doncha remember Dice? They scarfed up Josh McDaniels before the season ended and announced he would be the OC next year. He flamed out as a head coach but he did pretty well as OC. [Edited by: airfresh at 1/27/2012 10:25:52 AM EST]
TDice Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,797 Points:307,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 9:17:16 AM Ignore TDice Report Abuse Cam Cameron to Pittsburgh? They may be stupid, but they aren't dumb fresh. The Steelers could get the Pats OC, oh wait, he went to PSU. Who's replacing him?
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2012 7:47:25 AM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse Maybe you could lure the Ravens O coordinator with a draft pick to Baltimore.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2012 6:23:48 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Maybe, dakine, but one honest nasty dude.
dakine Champion Author Orange County Posts:19,588 Points:3,589,925 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Jan 24, 2012 2:53:00 PM Ignore dakine Report Abuse Scout, you are one nasty dude.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 24, 2012 10:52:18 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse I'd take a wet fart over Norv.
dakine Champion Author Orange County Posts:19,588 Points:3,589,925 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Jan 24, 2012 8:13:05 AM Ignore dakine Report Abuse If you can wait another year, Norv Turner will be available.
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 24, 2012 5:49:03 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse I'm not overly excited myself about this list of candidates.
TDice Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,797 Points:307,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:13:25 PM Ignore TDice Report Abuse ...and Hue Jackson and Tommy Clements. Not excited by any early contenders.
LogicMan Champion Author Rhode Island Posts:19,698 Points:1,607,675 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:06:00 PM Ignore LogicMan Report Abuse Dice posted yesterday hearing a rumor of Jim Caldwell.
airfresh Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:15,201 Points:825,245 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:20:14 PM Ignore airfresh Report Abuse So who will replace him? Shottenhiemer isn't available any more. Cam Cameran might be available soon.
BuzzBomb Champion Author Honolulu Posts:24,467 Points:3,494,005 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2012 1:48:10 PM Ignore BuzzBomb Report Abuse It has, scout!
scoutmaster Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:81,254 Points:3,252,645 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2012 6:20:12 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse Looks like my wish might come true!